Sunday, August 26, 2012

My Church Detox

Even though I am thirty-three, a college graduate, a parent, an accomplished traveler, a spouse, and a lot of other things, there are some essentials of adulthood that I am just now figuring out. One is that I don't have to agree with you to like you. Another is that I have a pretty solid sense of what's best for me and don't usually need to be told by another human what that is. This might seem like common sense for most, but the reason it's a somewhat recent revelation is because of one institution: church.

Before, you write me an angry email, I know that it may work for some of you, and I know some churches work pretty decently. However, I know the opposite is true as well--that there are many who have been indoctrinated, even brainwashed in a lot of instances. There are a lot more people who are hurt, disenfranchised with churches than I dared to believe not so long ago. I'm not saying church in and of itself is bad. In fact, I attend one on a semi-regular basis. What I do intend to say is that churches have been insisting on conformity of thought and doctrine from A to Z for far too long. The results of this (and of many other factors) have been propaganda machines who walk out of church, try their best not to get dirty or think the wrong things, and get so wrapped up in their religion that they--for whatever reason--neglect works of charity and act of kindness, random or otherwise. 

Another result is that free-thinkers are not accepted, and either leave or suppress the part of themselves that knows better than to swallow whatever is placed before them. If you think I'm saying this about you, you're probably none too pleased. You probably think that you read the bible critically, scrutinizing sermons based on what you know. If you do, kudos. But what happens when your heart tells you something different than scripture under the interpretations you were taught? What are the consequences when your free-thinking mind bucks at an entire sermon or tenant from your favorite preacher, home church, or sector of christianity? 

What happened to me was that I was half run out of one church and fully run out of another.

This started with women's equality to men, with me refusing to believe that women are here to serve their husbands and cater to his every whim. Now, those who know me may say I wasn't run out. (You may also say that this wasn't the point of that book, but I wholeheartedly disagree.) The truth is that I felt so uncomfortable with some people at that church at that point in time, and so disappointed with the leadership telling me I was the one out of place, that it became apparent that this institution and I did not have enough in common at the heart, and I left--spouse, kid, and all. 

The next time this happened, it was while I was in my cocoon, transforming from a conservative right-winged Christian to the very liberal counter-part that I have become. I questioned the church's role in society, the teachings that focus on 'sin' and on how good and bubblesque our lives should be, what we're allowed to say, do, watch, listen to, associate with, and I dared cross that unforgivable line from "We should love even the sinning LGBT community," to "Maybe I shouldn't judge," to "I was wrong and I dare say that those who are preventing equal rights are the real ones in sin."

That belief that I hold dearly to my heart--that there is nothing wrong with a loving relationship between two men, or two women, or a man and a woman--that we're all equal and the law should reflect this, has glazed over more eyes and deadened more voices than any other belief I've held as a Christian. Maybe even more than when I used to think I knew who was going to hell and who wasn't, and that I should broadcast this. (For those of you dying to know why I believe this, or just dying to debate me, I will get to it soon, but this entry is about another matter.) I feel strongly that it has made me more of a misfit among my own faith than anything else I could do except to renounce that faith. I also think there are those who believe that the two go hand in hand. Those people need to really reevaluate their priorities. 

When I was first out of church, I thought that maybe I was doing something wrong. However, I was so disenfranchised that I really didn't give a shit. (Yes, I just cussed. Paul said "shit" too. It's just that your translators were too chicken to write it in English). I was hurt, distrusted pastors and Christians and began to be repulsed by anything that reminded me of the institution of church. I couldn't force myself to pray more than the passing sentence pleading for help from above. I couldn't bring myself to open my bible. I certainly couldn't put in a worship CD or listen to a sermon. At first, this felt dirty, but over time, it began to feel more pure than anything I had ever done because a preacher or fellow Christian said it was the "godly" thing to do. I reevaluated what I felt was truly important in Christianity (the words of Jesus wound up on top), and I came up with love, above everything else. Jesus said to love God, love your neighbor and that the rest of the scriptures could be summarized in those two; that began to scream to me that love was the only right and everything else was details. It was the beginning of freedom. I could watch Dexter, listen to Lady Gaga, and write whatever I wanted. I stopped beating myself up for "missing the mark." I no longer spent energy dwelling on "sin." I started to really, really believe in the grace of God and that it was bigger than anything I could do. I stopped fretting. I started loving. I stopped filtering people out of my life because they soiled my bubble, and felt the nerve rising to kick out of my life harmful people, even those who quoted scripture while they shot their arrows. I became friends with so many amazing people who I would have turned away before, for whatever reason. I learned how to really, truly be me for the first time, and I finally felt like I could love my fellow humans according to my human abilities, without limitations born of doctrines that may or may not have their roots in scriptures (again, another matter for many more blog posts).

I could go on and on, but then you'd never read this in its entirety, would you?

The point is the following:
I left church for two years and it purified my faith. 

25 comments:

  1. HI Andy! Love hearing your thoughts. Hope you don't mind some interaction.

    " What are the consequences when your free-thinking mind bucks at an entire sermon or tenant from your favorite preacher.. "
    You figure out why there is a difference. "As Iron sharpens Iron (prov 27:17)" refers to rubbing two pieces of metal together until they are both sharp or hashing out differences with your favorite pastor. That can be painful and awkward but it's how God intended it sometimes.

    "there is nothing wrong with a loving relationship between two men.."
    The God of the Bible was pretty clear about his opinion on the act of Homosexual sex (that he did not approve). At the same time the God of the Bible loved the sexually active homosexual (and every one of us no matter what our sin) enough to send his son to die for us even while we were yet in sin. Things that the Bible say God doesn't like can be REALLY uncomfortable to talk about. Discomfort can't be removed by the disbelief in the existence of sin. And disagreeing with what the Bible says is sin doesn't help anyone either... ya got to work it out. The only solution I see is gently, patiently, humbly and steadily holding fast to what the Bible says.

    "women's equality to men, with me refusing to believe that women are here to server their husbands.." You probably referring to a church mistreating women and that would really suck. The Bible talks about women being submissive to husbands and husbands "dying as Christ died for the church"... in essence they both serve each other except the man is required to serve more.. biblicaly speaking. ;) That's how we interpret it at our church anyway.

    I love reasoning from the Scripture. I don't know the depths of your hurt or all the reasons which I assume is at least a catalyst of some of the above. And for all the things that hurt you I am truly sorry. Thanks for the chance to improve one another! :D

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  2. hey ryan
    thanks for your reply.
    yeah, there are communities where that iron-sharpening-iron is welcomed and encouraged, and done in a healthy manner. but there are also a lot that respond with brow-beating and fear-inducing sermons, and i know A LOT of people who have suffered the second and have never known the first in a church setting.
    as for your second point, two men and all, i believe some of those scriptures to be cultural and others to be misinterpretations. we easily believe that scriptures about women speaking in church is a cultural thing, along with scriptures about head covering, hair cuts, and tattoos (for a lot of us). there also have been historical documentations of misinterpretations from greek or hebrew. one is how the king james translators originally translated the passage about moses coming down from mt sinai to read that he came down with horns on his head, not light on his face. this was inconsequential as far as doctrine goes, but does show that it has happened. i am sure there are other instances that have changed widely held doctrines, and i may look that up when i blog specifically on this topic. i will also bring up the one point i will hold to the firmest--that the church as a whole has done a lot of wrong to the lgbt community, saying and doing things that are neither explicit or implied in scripture, while ignoring the one thing that is clearest: love your neighbor as yourself.
    i am still a christian. i still believe in jesus. i have just shifted my focus according to what my heart dictated, and i did so prayerfully. if you have any personal questions, i would be happy to answer them.
    and as far as scriptures go, i didn't really get into many because this post is mostly an introduction and the gist of my personal journey of the last few years. you will see many more in future posts.
    thanks for replying. i look forward to more discussion.

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  3. oh, as far as the women submitting to men, with the guidance of a biblical scholar (from a local christian college,)who knows the greek quite well, i've come to believe that the scripture you are referring to (since it is from an epistle, which was a letter addressing specific concerns regarding the people to whom it was written) addressed a problem in the church. ie, the women there were probably not being very respectful to their husbands. the greek word used is very different than the word used when it says "children obey your parents." i can dig up the email that explained that difference, if you're interested. furthermore, it goes on, without a beat, to say 'submit to one another,' and greek case would indicate that that was not directed at christians as a whole, but to husbands and wives. (just a little linguistics for ya ;) ) furthermore, we cannot disregard the scripture that says there is neither male nor female in christ Jesus.

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  4. and i was referring to a book that disregarded the above, not a particular church or sermon or instance of mistreatment per se.

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  5. Andi,
    Love this! You rock my socks. It is so validating to hear that someone else's experience parallels my own and that I am maybe not so fatally flawed for arriving at the conclusion that Love trumps "holiness" (or the Christian cultural understanding thereof) EVERY.TIME!!!! Can't wait to read more of what you have to say!

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  6. thanks holly! that encourages me to no end

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  7. Andi, You are a very good writer. Flows and is easy to follow. I love reading and look forward to more posts. I look forward to meeting you and discussing further. I am someone who grew up going to church every sunday and participated in many out reach programs. I do not currently attend church. Not because of anything but laziness and for lack of better explanation I have many insecurities about religion and politics. Anyway, I am glad you are happy and found a way through.

    Juli kelterborn

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  8. I was just talking to a friend about this the other day, some of my major concerns with the church/religion are the destructive nature it takes on.

    I have found that in letting go of religion I have the freedom to choose to do the right thing purely because I want to, and I am a good person. This does loads for my self esteem!

    Letting go and finding true freedom that's not shackled by any religion is beautiful. For me now, it's all about integrity, intelligence, freedom, truth and love. Maybe this path will lead me back to church one day, but if I never go down this path how can I truly consider myself a believer... I have to have the guts to doubt and ask questions.


    In response to Ryan:

    Teaching gay and lesbian people, especially teenagers that their natural instincts are invalid is harmful. This is proven over and over and over again in both emotional and medical studies. If you take a moment and actually converse with a real life human being struggling with homosexuality and the church, you will see how detrimental it is. Being a homosexual is hard enough, and then for your christian "family" to not accept you for things that are out of your control. It's disgusting and christians who behave this way should be ashamed. To me this is not something that even deserves a valid debate, and should just be a matter of fact, no matter what you believe, based on the proven (study after countless study) hurt and pain, and physical and emotional harm caused. God is supposed to be love, and as far as I know all of those things are the opposite of love.

    Teaching a woman that she needs to submit to a man, is destructive and leads to depression and terrible views of her self image. Again, something that doesn't need debate.

    These "christian" teachings, no matter how many scriptures you can back them up with, are fundamentally destructive. They are causing pain. This is not christian. The end.

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  10. Expressionary thanks for posting, Here's the real deal,

    Man has all sorts of natural sinful desires. We all do. Every single person on this earth has sinned. Sexual sins, sins of pride, sins of greed whatever. I'm guilty, we're all guilty. That sin separates us from the presence of God, invalidates our claim to holiness and in generals makes earth a living hell. None of us can look at another and imagine that we are better because we're not. I may not struggle with homosexuality but by crap stinks just as bad as the next person and I have no right to mistreat anyone.

    God loves each of so much that even in our sin, he sends his son to die for us, to take our punishment, cleans our sins and restore us.

    The Bible says husbands and wives need to submit to each other and that husbands need to die for their wives, like Jesus died for church. Basically, lay down your own agenda and help your wife have a happy healthy life. That's the context of the submission passage we were referring to which I'm sure you'd agree is healthy as opposed to anyone trying to hurt their spouse. But human desires for power, greed and lust prevail frequently and people get hurt.. refer back to the top of this post.

    I hope this helps better express the Biblical Christian viewpoint.

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  11. it's one of the prevalent biblical viewpoints. however, there are those who understand the texts differently. :)

    if you did read my replies, you know that i too believe i am following scripture--albeit not in any english translation i know of. but we can debate the finer details on that when i spell out all that stuff on another entry.

    however, expressionary is reflecting a terrible epidemic of kids who would rather die than let their parents know they only have physical and emotional attractions for the same gender. something has gone horribly awry when this is no longer an isolated incident but an epidemic.

    again, more on this and many many topics later

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  13. however, i think we've made and refuted my point all at once:

    there is a sense that we have to agree with 90% of how each other sees scriptures, faith, and doctrine and less focus in this discussion on how we're living out our faith.

    however, i know ryan still loves me and i still love him, and his approach has been written without harsh words. so, it's the opposite of what i have seen and am speaking out against at the same time.

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    1. I appreciate that Andi. I didn't respond to a lot written above because I felt that I (and indeed most loving Christians) had been pigeon-holed all at once.

      A major dilemma every Christian faces is how do we live our lives consistent with the integrity of the Word of Truth and the Spirit of Love at the same time. The old, "Love the sinner hate the sin", bit. Comforting someone who has been bruised and beaten and is tired and sick so often gets me accused of being the one to hurt them if I don't automatically agree with them on what sin is.

      I think you and I do view scripture similarly for 90% of it and if you and I sit down I'm sure you and I will see eye to eye on the submission thing. It's not a story of oppression, it's the story of living a self-sacrificial life, one that God himself was willing to live out and requires of us. It's the opposite of a "Take the Power Back!" kind of political action though so that part of Jesus' message never sets well in political circles.

      Regarding Biblical interpretations, there's a lot of room for logical error in "following your heart" to interpret the scriptures for you. When I was younger I let me heart tell me that making out with my girlfriend was OK biblicaly because we were going to get married (we eventually broke up, I married someone else) or that smoking weed was fine. My heart is not a reliable proof source for wisdom. :) That's not it's purpose. My hearts purpose is to DRIVE me to ACTION and Passion! It's like a boat motor. The word has to be my rudder.. without it, my heart may take me anywhere.. or no where. So my heart propels me! But my mind must keep my heart in check to make sure I'm being propelled in the direction of my choosing (and since I'm a Christian I always try to propel my heart in a direction that's in line with what He's doing the world as written in the Bible).

      And I'd also love to do a proper Bible study with you on the topic of homosexuality... not for the sake of argument but to demonstrate what the Bible really says of itself and of God. It's not fortune cookie stuff or politics though, we can't just throw little quips back and forth. No understanding is developed if you just go to whoever supports your hearts cause and have them interpret it for you. Lets sit down, look at the context, look at the Hebrew and Greek. Figure out who he's talking to and why.

      I mean if Jesus says it's OK for man to lie down with another man sexually, or it's OK for a bisexual to have a husband and a wife because that's how God made them then how could I disagree? From my limited studies however it's all been very clear. In the OT, in the teachings of Jesus and in the Epistles, all agreeing on the same line but we can save that for another time.

      I would actually love it if you and your hubby came and sat down with us, we could pull out the Strong's and Vines and really get to it. You could post summaries back here on your blog if you like. :)

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    2. thanks ryan,

      i feel pretty solid on what a year and a half of prayer and prayerful contemplation tempered with scriptures have led me to. i feel that it is also important for me to finish my linguistic study of the words on my own before we had any kind of sit down. not because i'm afraid or avoiding, but because it is so close to my heart, and i am a person whose instincts come in the form of emotions quite often, i would need to do it in private first if i am going to do it with rationale at the forefront. just me knowing my strengths and weaknesses bro.

      however, sin or not, our place in this matter is still the same: love, kindness, justice, the things Jesus preached on over and over. that, above anything else, is my point.

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    3. He preached repentance, keeping the word and being holy more than social justice. He preached loving your father and loving your neighbor more than anything. :) So I agree with most of your main point.

      I am most respectful and supportive of your desire to dig in and do your own word study before letting me or any other voice interfere with your own internal dialogue with God on the subject.. I figured since you were putting it out in public that you were seeking out input at this time. But let me know! You and I are both passionate and emotional people and neither of us should ever settle for what someone else tells us to be true. We must be fully convinced in our minds to stand on a doctrine and serve God whole heartedly. So dig in to the very words! Look to the Greek and Hebrew.. make sure some schmuck didn't screw up the translation in the name of some earthly king! :)

      Then get back to me. Please. :)

      Peace

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    4. for sure ryan!
      thanks for dialoguing with me so patiently. this has been challenging but sometimes challenges only make us dig deeper.

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  14. I can relate with avoiding my bible, sermons, and Christian music; I will add to the list driving by churches becoming painful, especially those teaching out of fear and doctrinal homogeneity, especially more so on Sunday morning. I am in the throws of this stage.

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  15. i understand. so do a lot of people who have read this and most who have commented. you're not alone, not by far

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  16. Hi! My friend Holly sent me over, and I'm glad she did. We have a lot in common, and I related very much to this post. I've blogged on similar issues: http://fiestabeth.blogspot.com/

    Can't wait to read more!

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  17. thank you beth!
    feel free to ask holly for my fb info and add me as a friend. i'd love to chat with you more.

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  18. You know I wish we lived closer, because you know I support you 100% girl. For me personally the answer was leaving Christianity/theism all together, but finding that love and logic trumps cultic evangelical dogma is the key step in recovery for anyone. I am especially thrilled that how finding this has given you the strength to put your foot down in your life and draw boundaries around toxic people. Especially toxic people who invoke their idea of God and their personal interpretation of scripture to spew their toxicity.

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  19. thanks nicole. i wish we lived closer too!

    and i'm so encouraged that people are reading my "rant" and getting good things from it. it's my reason to put it all out there. thanks, everyone

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  20. Hi Friend! :)
    It takes a lot of courage, love, and awesomeness to think for yourself... and even more to speak for yourself, so props to you! I feel like there will be lots of opportunity to discuss these topics more in detail, and well I'm pretty stoked!

    One thing I will say with regard to a point brought up about LGBT issues....Jesus never discussed homosexuality. He did, however, talk about the importance of love, as you mentioned in your post.

    Another, kind of a sidenote....in addition to an epidemic of LGBT teen suicides, about 40% of homeless youth are LGBT, and for a vast majority of them are in that situation because their (often Christian) families have thrown them out.

    Anyway, awesome post and I can't wait to read more :)

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  21. thanks justme. i appreciate your post.

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